Exhaust decisions

[Luke01GT]

Ok, I'm now torn between two decisions. Should I put the given flowmasters in for exhaust, and yes that is the brand I'm going with so there. OR do I wait a bit longer save more money and put in cutouts?? Ed what do you think?? I love the idea of cutouts, but 350dollars is a lot to swallow. ok discuss :?:

[Brazen6.0]

well keap in mind that the idea of cut outs would really work only if you install them befor the cats. The question is are you able to or not? (enough room? etc). Also there's this muffler called Warlock (I think that's the name) that is 2 in one: it's a high per muffler, that has a cut out build into it. You'd have to reach under and undo them, but later, you could buy thos electric cut outs and put them in place of the cut out plates...just a thought.

[Ed]

Cutouts in and of themselves are cheap. I think they go for like $35-40. The electric setup is $120-150 a piece. Personally, I think 4.6 Mustangs sound like ass without cats. Incredibly raspy. I'd say an offroad H with a decent catback would be the best sounding and offer good performance. Why Flowbastards, though? Everyone and their mother has a set of those on their Mustang.

Honestly, I'd look into Magnaflow. I was very impressed with their F-Body muffler and I know their quality is top-notch.

Just my $0.02, which is probably worth less than that since I really don't know much about the Ford side of things. :)

[LethalBird]

U wanna know why ED.........coz he lives with JB :D

Ok.......my thoughts on this issue, Mustangs don't make power anyways so why would u wanna make it even worse on urself???? With a cut out I think u will lose some back preassure that u might need to keep ur 220RWHP flowin. With a cut out u might gain on the high end, but thats not what u want either, just like a Honda Civic that doesn't make 160HP before 8000RPM and by the time it reach its power band it will be the new elections.......solution, no cut out unless u have some engine mods to compensate.

Now, why Flow Master??.........like Edd said, everybody and his mother is got a set of flowmasters on their Mustang. I would do a set of Bassani, DynoMax, Borla, and maybe u wanna check what Steeda use on their cars.

[TheDan]

I'm running Magnaflow

[Mr. Bueno]

magnaflow makes some really nice stainless stuff. my buddy has a 2000gt catted xpipe from magnaflow and it is great quality. it went into his car like a champ. a little on the quiet side with the stock catback, but if you go with the magnaflow catback, coupled with the magnaflow catted xpipe, i guarantee you will like the sound.
my bassani OR x pipe sounds good but raspy for some people. i personally like it. has an aggressive ferrari v8 sound.

you might wanna consider a bassani x pipe w/cats, but i have know from bunch of people on stangnet.com that the cats that bassani makes are junk. also a catted xpipe will run you more than 430+ hundred bucks for the stang.

Mac prochamber is really good too, if you want to "unstainless" your car's exhaust. not my first choice. but the gains for the midpipe are great
Let me know if you need more intel.
Tim
also, I think I have some vids or sound files on my computer of magnaflow, bassani, and mac. but I dont have a host website so I couldnt paste a link so you could download them.

[Luke01GT]

yea I have looked into magnaflow and I'm pretty impressed with them. However Flowmasters on a mustang are just like apple pie and america, they just work well. Keep in mind also that what I'm doing now is not for major power cuz no exhaust is going to do that, I want a nice sound. And Eddie I'm really sick of your comments so please keep them to yourself. Thanks for the input so far. The stang is an image for now, I haven't the money to do what I want with her, not to mention I have no clue what I want to do with her yet. But trust me when she's done she'll make the bird shit itself :twisted: anyhow that will not be for another 4 years cuz money sucks lol.

[LethalBird]

Well, which coments did u really want me to keep to myself? I bet u r talking about the 220HP comment. I guess facts must hurt these days. Plus I don't really see what u can do to that Mustang to make the Bird shit in its pants. My car laid some hurting on a Mustang that ran 130mph ET with twinturbo set-up. I don't see how u can beat that...........oh and by the time u get that Mustang runnign fast I'll have an F60 :twisted:

I was just trying to give u some input, but Mustang don't listen and end-up getting beat on the street :D

[Ponyperformance6]

Eddie, Luke is right, and you dont know anything, first off, no mustang is putting down 220 to the wheels with a manual tranny in the club. Most of them are 240 bone stock, i know thats not much compared to yours, but thats stock, thats not a built motor with spray. Besides that man you really need to quit ragging on people who can't afford the Famarobird and wouldn't buy one if they could just because they like another car better. The fact of the matter is that your car is faster than mine or lukes, big friggin deal, don't make fun of people and/or put them down because your car is faster. The fact is you had a 390 h.p. Mustang that you couldn't pull good numbers out of so you gave up and quit when the truth was there was nothing wrong with your car except you couldnt drive it, so now you dont like Mustangs, so get a life and quit ragging on people who do.

BTW, Exhaust Mods on Mustangs gain power throughout the band and more importantly torque just like they do on any other larger engine.

[TheDan]

Eddie-

Not eveybody needs to have 500 rwhp to feel like a man. Seriously, not everybody can afford to drop 10-15k on a motor either. So quit dogging everybody in here you stupid ignorant fuck. An F60? They havent called it an F60 for over a year...now its the "Enzo"...call me reactionary, but Id think youd better know what the fuck its called before you go try to buy it with your daddy's money...you know?

Just lay off of people...Most people are doing the best they can with whats been handed to them...and to them, their car is the greatest thing in the world. I've never understood what give you the need to start fights in here...I mean come on...take a look in the mirror...you really think youre that perfect?

[LethalBird]

Will, aparently u can't do math. Mustang put 260 to the flywheel, if u take 12-17% tranny loss.........and since the tranny is junk its for sure more than 12% that would make less than 230hp.

Luke, put whatever u wanna put in ur car man, I don't even know why I'm wasting by breath. Its still gonna be slow anyways.


oh and this one is for all of u :squintfi:

[Brazen6.0]

eddie, there's no math, dyno numbers showed that all mustangs in the club of the same era made 240-250rwhp...
and you becoming to sound like someone we know....get over yourself and don't become a tool....please

[Ponyperformance6]

Yeah Eddie, you and John could almost be twins right now, and if you want to make fun of people and flip them off then get out man, we don't need you here.

Besides all of that, like JB said the fact is every Mustang in the club has been putting down those numbers bone stock, so obviously ford underates the motor.

[Ed]

BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND...

Mustangs with Flowmasters sound good. There's no denying that. HOWEVER, it's not a distinct sound. Your exhaust note should be your trademark, I think. Do you want to sound like everyone else, Luke?

Either way, a catback and X or H will provide some nice gains. Everyone knows that an exhaust upgrade on a 4.6L gives a good increase in performance.

[Brazen6.0]

I disagree on the trademark regarding the sound, if that is true then every F body sounds prety much the same too...I think the car should be his trademark, the way he will customize it. Point being is that Flowmasters and Mustangs just sounds tits and you can get them prety cheap at a swap meet.

[Ponyperformance6]

I was a faithfull flowmaster customer with the 98 and with my 94 Firebird, they make good products and they have a nice sound. If you want a loud tone, however definately get an off-road h or x pipe or just dump your exhaust right after the mufflers, it will still sound good and will have a very aggressive tone and volume as well, because the way Ford designs the pipes after the mufflers is very restrictive and quieting, also a larger tip than stock will increase your resonance and give you a louder sound for less money.

[LethalBird]

240hp is still sad

[Ponyperformance6]

Thanks for your expert analysis Eddie :rolleyes:

[LethalBird]

ur welcome, I just hope that u learned something :D

[Luke01GT]

I will most definitely be going with an OF X or H pipe as soon as the finiancials come in. For now I can only afford the mufflers. That's an interesting point about the tips Will thanks I didn't know that, perhaps I'll put a three inch on, I have 2.5 now. I'd have to agree with you Ford has a bunch of restriction shit on their cars man, but when I get done with it I intend to have headers to an X pipe to my Flows and to the tips. No bull in the middle. Oh an Tim I finally had a chance to listen to your car, it sounds really good, made me take a second look. I also just because of the flow numbers am looking at UltraFlows. Brad told me they flow about 1200CFM as opposed to Flowmaster at about 400. But as far as I'm concerned I have about a month to think about it. thanks again for the input gentlemen

[Brazen6.0]

you also have to understand that flowing air thru a muffler doesn't simulate any exaust pulses...although it looks great on paper (having grea flow numbers), you need to understand that mufflers such as flows use baffeling to take advantage of those pulses....food for thoughts!

[Mr. Bueno]

actually, the stock mustangs are dynoing around 220ish rwhp bone stock.

with all my mods I picked up 40rwhp and approx 40rwtq. Alll just from bolt ons.
I am afraid that Lethal Bird is right :banghead:

But if we had 15,000bucks to spend, you guys are right, I am sure we could give eddie a run for his money...
Too much smack talking here. Maybe if the smack talking with within the 500hp class cars, it would be as bad. But picking on a cars with 200rwhp less than eddies car is just wrong!
Tim :(

[TheDan]

You have to understand Eddie though...
hes fat and ugly as hell...his car is all he's got...:)

[HORSEpower]

As long as you have cats, the muffler isn't going to make much difference. Go to someone and have a custom cat back built with the muffler of your choice. Don't waste your money on cut outs. Once you get the cash together to do longtubes and an intermediary you will make more power than you will with cut outs anyways. Flowmasters will restrict your flow a little more than other mufflers out there. You might not be concerned with this now, but in the future you might be trying to squeeze a couple extra horse out of the car, and you will regret having wasted $300 on a muffler setup that is inferior. Don't make mistakes like Eddie. Know what you want and plan out how you are going to get it. Don't buy things twice, that is what really slows down the time it takes your car to get fast. If you buy a nitrous kit now, when you really want a blower car, you have wasted $400 out of your blower budget.

Another recommendation. Don't pay other people to do your work for you. Tools and books are always cheaper than someone else's labor.

Kurt

[Luke01GT]

Thank you Kurt that's good advice. CHOICE HAS BEEN MADE, Nick has most graciously given me his Warlock mufflers for free :cheers: , I'm going to clean those babies up and have then put in asap. Whether this is the muffler I stick with all along who knows, but for now it's a definite improvement that is RIGHT IN MY BUDGET. Thanks again Nick and hopefully I can get them in by next friday's meeting.

[Stang8YourImport]

No problem Luke. As you saw, they were just sittin' there collecting water. lol. They're better on your car then in the back of my house. Also, Flowmasters don't sounds the same on every Mustang. I've never head a Stang sound like mine with Flows. As for Eddie saying Mustangs are slow... I call you out once I get a pump and regulator. Spray vs. Spray. Then we'll see who's slow. :boink:

Nick

P.S. You have to drive it too. lol

[LethalBird]

First of all...........I see this thread turned into the Eddie bashing thread?????? :confused: Thats fine with me tho, I ain't angry or mad...........I came to the conclusion that most here are dumb to realize facts anyways. I didn't say anything insulting or degrading to anybody or about any car, howevere, everybody seems to always add something meaningless to each post about me. It seems to me that most here lack words to respond in a smart fashion to my posts which shows me how full of shit some people can be.

Tim.........I thank u very much man..........u might be the only one here to realize the truth, but u have to know that with 15k u can make just about anything go fast.

Kurt.........I was wondering where did I make a mistake? I put a long tube ceramic coated headers with custom made 3'' Y-pipe and Borla cat back, how is that a mistake? It doesn't matter coz u r very stubern and u are always furious to what u have and know

Dan..........ur full of shit and ur intimidating style ain't working with me, so drop it. :D I would love to see one post u have that means anything.

Nick.........like u mentioned before man, ur parents weren't able to send u to Riddle but u have best values out of everybody here. I will line up with u at any given time coz I know if u lose or I lose it ain't gonna make any diference to u.

[Stang8YourImport]

Hell no man! You're a good dood. And we both know whoever loses will keep modding until they win... It's a never ending process. lol. I'll line up with anyone in here (Except the P's lol) and if I lose, who cares! I know I don't have some crazy fast car, but it's always awesome to race just to see how you do. I know how ya are on here Eddie, and I just laugh. :lol: It's funny cause I know you're not trying to piss anyone off... You're just givin' them shit. Now yall on here know Eddie is a big BSer, funny guy. Just give him some slack. He makes friends a different way. lol

Nick

[LethalBird]

well said Nick.........thanx

[HORSEpower]

Where did you screw up, how about an $800 driveshaft that doesn't fit your combo. Just one small example.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Well, we are talking about the exhaust here, besides the driveshaft is been on my car for 2 weeks before I made a decision to change the rearend. It fits fine, just not with 12bolt and there was noway for anybody to know even after the instructions from Moser said driveshaft might need to be shortened. It was a case of trial and error or u can say bad luck. I'm pretty sure that u ran accross some big problems trying to modify things in ur driveway.............don't try to convince me that everything was a simple bolt on coz if it was u would've never learned anything.

Kurt..............me and bunch of ur Mustang brothers came to the conclusion that u live by this motto "If it ain't on my car, it ain't good". Like I said before, u r very furious to what u got and very stubern about what u know. Its almost impossible to convince u which makes any debates with u very short lived.

[Ponyperformance6]

Correct me if i am wrong here, but the only rearend mods, kurt has are axles and 3.55 gears ??

[Stang8YourImport]

Correct will. Not even a girdle.

[Luke01GT]

I hope you don't include me with those "mustang buddies" eddie, I've never gotten that impression from Kurt. As a matter of fact that seems to be the way you are. Kurt has always given me good non biased advice.

[TheDan]

Eddie doesn't know shit about cars...his friends do...and he repeats what his friends say...just listen to how he talks...he's ignorant as hell.

Kurt is truly hardcore Eddie...he doesnt pay people to pick things out for them and install them...he does it all. You, on the other hand, are a wanna be bad boy. Pussies come in all sizes and colors...Eddie is a perfect example.

[LethalBird]

Didn't I say.........I would love to see one post from u that means anything. Remember I said before that most people here cannot comprehend whats been said and u just proved it :D Well, u actually add some meaningless comments that I can't even understand
Who said Kurt is not hardcore............I actually took advice and asked him about many things before, but that doesn't change the fact that he is stubern and furious about what he got.

[Ponyperformance6]

Eddie, I can understand what Dan wrote, its in plain English

[LethalBird]

Will........I believe Kurt is got a TKO rearend, which never came stock on Mustangs. Somebody had to put that rear end in there. Anyways, Mustangs are known to come with good rearends, so they are doing good in that department. F-bodies on the other hand comes with a rearend that can support what they make in stock form. When u start increasing power, that 10bolt just can't hold.

We are kinda drifting off the subject here, which is fine by me. I just don't feel like hearing Edd's bitching. I ain't tryin to prove anything, or say that Kurt doesn't know his stuff. Mustang guys are the ones trying to prove something which I can't undersatnd coz they don't know what they are talking about.
I really could care less and its all gravy..........Mustang or f-body, I only care about what I got and what I got is a runner.

[Ponyperformance6]

you're right Eddie we are drifting off the subject, but we "Mustang Guy's" know more than you think ;)

[Mr. Bueno]

kurt is running 3.73s in the rear

[TheDan]

Eddie-

What doesn't make sense to you? Are you really that ignorant? I mean, I've met some dumb motherfuckers in my life...but you take the prize man. You are seriously a waste of my oxygen, go the fuck back to the desert and lay on a grenade.

Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying because you can't read words that are spelled and used correctly in English sentences.

[toastychicken]

What's up with the whole "mustang guys" thing? For some reason are Mustang drivers LESS than F-body drivers? Seriously man, what makes you think a person's car has anything to do with who they are/what they know?

I don't understand it. I mean, to me, a muscle car is just that, a muscle car. The owner is what makes the car into something great. Personally, I prefer the F-bodies (for the record), but its not like I hold a grudge against the Ford guys. Hell, if a GT were my only option, I'd take it. Friendly competition is a good thing, but bashing not only one, but a group of people, makes no sense.