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[TAdriven98]

Now that the shop has been opened, anyone have any experience installing camshafts in LS1s? I was thinking about buying one and just wondering if anyone was interested in helping install one.

[LSWon00]

Its an 8hr job, adn I think you should wait till wee get more tools in the garage.

[TAdriven98]

Have you done it before? After last night I think i need the biggest cam I can find.

[LSWon00]

Don't get upset over the SRT-4, it weighs 2700lbs, made 224fw-hp stock and his has, down pipe, 3" exhaust, boost controller, & K&N open filter. Thats alot of power in a golfcart sized car.

:banana: What you should do is get a 75 shot for the T/A and you'd have no problem and would go easy 12's.

[Brazen6.0]

with a cam comes reprograming...don't forget that....on LS1 all you have to do is take out ther front parts of the motor (water pump and such)...you don't have to unbolt the intake, just undo the rockers, rotate the motor twice to push up the lifters and you can slide out the cam....

[Ed]

You want a big cam on stock heads? Look into the G5X2 by LG Motorsports.

LG G5X2 - 232/240 .595/.609 112LSA

Don't forget that you'll also need upgraded springs, tuning, etc.

[Ponyperformance6]

buy spray, LS1's love it..... and you will be able to smoke just about anything on the street with the touch of a button. 150 Shot :yes:
Will

[TAdriven98]

I dont want to use nitrous, I was looking at the Thunder Racing packages they have that come with the cam, springs, and all. Also a heads package may come someday, so selecting a cam that will work alright with stock heads but move enough air for aftermarket heads would be best. Whatever it has done to it, its still a neon and thats not cool.

[Ed]

I dont want to use nitrous, I was looking at the Thunder Racing packages they have that come with the cam, springs, and all. Also a heads package may come someday, so selecting a cam that will work alright with stock heads but move enough air for aftermarket heads would be best. Whatever it has done to it, its still a neon and thats not cool.

All right then, as far as Thunder Racing's cams go, the TR220 and 224 are very popular with stock heads. The 230/224 is getting up there and should also be good with aftermarket heads in the future. You may also want to consider longtubes before or at the same time as a cam.

[TAdriven98]

Think that we will be able to do the cam swap in the garage someday or should i just expect to have to pay to have it installed. If so how much does that run?

[Ed]

If the tools are available (especially an "in-car" spring compressor type deal), we can do it in the garage. Expect 8-12 hours of work. It'd be a good project, I think.

http://www.ls1howto.com/index.php?article=23

[Mr.Nitrous]

Don't get upset over the SRT-4, it weighs 2700lbs, made 224fw-hp stock and his has, down pipe, 3" exhaust, boost controller, & K&N open filter. Thats alot of power in a golfcart sized car.

:banana: What you should do is get a 75 shot for the T/A and you'd have no problem and would go easy 12's.

The car is heavier than that (3000), and o-boy look at that long mods list it has with it. Just remember it's a little 2.4. Well at least it not a Honda right.

[LSWon00]

Don't get upset over the SRT-4, it weighs 2700lbs, made 224fw-hp stock and his has, down pipe, 3" exhaust, boost controller, & K&N open filter. Thats alot of power in a golfcart sized car.

:banana: What you should do is get a 75 shot for the T/A and you'd have no problem and would go easy 12's.

The car is heavier than that (3000), and o-boy look at that long mods list it has with it. Just remember it's a little 2.4. Well at least it not a Honda right.


Damn, ROb when are you gonna sell the SS and get one??

[TAdriven98]

I will probably buy the cam and all in about two weeks time, then we will see if the shop is ready and that stuff if not I will just wait because i am sure to get a cam installed would probably be the price of the cam. Also how hard is it to install long tube headers since that was recommended by Ed to do as well.

[Ed]

If you can get the car high enough, it's not that horrible (depending on which headers you get). Some are cake, some are a major pain. Also, if the Y-pipe is better than mine, it should be easy. lol

Took 12 hours to do mine. :hs:

[TAdriven98]

If you can get the car high enough, it's not that horrible (depending on which headers you get). Some are cake, some are a major pain. Also, if the Y-pipe is better than mine, it should be easy. lol

Took 12 hours to do mine. :hs:

Did you keep cats when you installed your y-pipe or did you get rid of them? Would it be better to install headers and cam all at once? The steps you posted didnt look that hard, if we could get the tools, whats a spring compressor like that cost? I may make a donation of a spring tool for help installing the cam.

[4U 2 NV]

Norris Motorsports in Orlando gets around 800 bucks for a cam install. not sure of what it takes but take say 50 an hour for labor and thats nine hours for a professional to install it. Were not pros. I would take it some where just so you can have something of a warranty on it but also i say do it. Just so i can see how everything goes for when one goes in my car.
How big are you thinking about going? cam that is!

129.99 for the valve spring tool from Thunderracing and its made by Moore Performance which has its own website(i think). check in the LS1tech advertisement section or in the back of a GMHTP mag for their number. hope that helped!

[4U 2 NV]

im going with Ed on this one. The 230/224 cam is the way to go. Pulls hard to 6800 RPMs. Has a 111 LSA so its gonna be choppy and WILL need to have tuning i would think for best results. Any cam is going to nickel and dime you. Try using Thunder Racings Cam Packages. it comes with Valve spring , retainers and stock sized Push rods and all gaskets needed for 699.99.

[TAdriven98]

thats the one i was thinking of getting, thats a nice chunk of change for a install, i would rather chance it because it doesnt look that difficult just time comsuming.

[LethalBird]

I have ThunderRacing cam in my car.........its 224/227 114 LSA Nitrous cam. I don't recommend doing 111 coz its a daily driver, unless u really don't care. Also Norris Motorsport is extremly over priced and their work is nothing special. If u wanna go fast on budget, I would do long tubes with a good y-pipe and spray. LS1s like the spray and u wont hurt nothing unless u spray it everytime ur backing out of ur driveway. I don't think u will see much from a cam when everything else is stock. Maybe 25hp to the wheels which is not bad but not worth the money and effort. U also have to remember that u have a 98LS1 which doesn't respond to mods easily coz the computer was different.

Speaking of the Neon, whats the story there? can u further elaborate plz? :)

[Ed]

Nitrous is a pretty decent idea for that 98. First I've heard of them being bad with mods, though.

You might wanna take care of the other bolt-on mods first (longtubes, exhaust, lid, LS6 intake) before going with a cam.

[4U 2 NV]

with the 230/224 cam with a 111 LSA.
a 1999 T/A with Grot LT's, lid ASP pulley, LS6 intake and Ported TB put down 410 RWHP with BONE STOCK HEADS.
This is definitely the cam i want!

[LSWon00]

ANd Chris has spoken! :bowdown: All bow before Chris!

[TAdriven98]

I believe and pulled up next to the neon at about 40 or 50 not sure but i was in 3rd gear, I am pretty sure that I punched it first and that gave me a jump but he ran me down and was pullin pretty hard, i would say he shut down about 90-95 and so did I, Basically I saw his tail lights. Actually about the bolt ons, I am getting a bunch for my birthday and christmas so I have to take care of the expensive stuff. Also the LS6 intake is no longer the best, check out the LSX intake manifold you can preorder one from thunderracing, they are a little pricey but they are said to crank out more ponies than the ls6 intake. So basically by jan. I will have the intake, airlid, headers, and what ever other bolt ons i can think off before christmas. So I can do the cam now and next summer I should be able to get some Stage 2 heads. Thats my plan anyway. So if anyone wants to help i would be willing to buy a spring compressor to give to the club. I am probably going to order the cam in about 2 weeks.

[LethalBird]

It sounds like the new mods on Chris's Neon are working good. I know the car pulls hard coz I raced him before, but that was before the recent down pipe. I was able to pass him like he was satnding still but he still worked me through 2nd gear though. Its probably a harder race now but if u say he showed u his tail lights then I would go with nitrous first before the cam just to keep such races under control :D

[TAdriven98]

Before I buy this cam swap kit, will anyone be willing to help install it? I am not in any hurry but would like to do it before christmas break. I know we need a spring compressor like Ed said, so i will try to get one of those, it doesnt look like we would need any other special tools except for some magnets or whatever it says about that. So the big question will some of you guys with experience be interested in helping.

[Ed]

I'm pretty sure finding help won't be a problem. :)

[LSWon00]

I and most everyone else are always willing to help.

[02blackwingss]

brad
that is not me............
but since you guys are on these subjects i will chime in.don't go any higher than a 580 ish lift on the cam or you will have to fly cut the pistons,something i did not want to do.so that is why i went with a 224/228 581/581 114 cam and tea 5.3 stage two heads with double springs and titanium retainers.

and as far as the srt-4...... you guys are just flaming because you got beat. and as far as a bunch of mods oh let me see. a air filter(man that is a huge one) a boost controller (added 2 pounds of boost) and a 3" downpipew/cat. oh and a muffler ohhhhhhhhh big mods. i'm sorry but i think it is a nice car ,weather it is a neon or not. who cares, it is a fast car and can beat 90% of ermca. don't hate it because of that.

i'm sorry if this is alittle harsh but chris is a good friend of mine and i don't like it when my friends or my friends rides are trashed on when they did nothing other than beat the cars that called them out.

i mean come on chris never says anything about your cars except they are nice cars so why do you have to trash talk his.

thats it i'm done flaming for now.had to get it out of my system.

see ya

rob

[LSWon00]

brad
that is not me............
but since you guys are on these subjects i will chime in.don't go any higher than a 580 ish lift on the cam or you will have to fly cut the pistons,something i did not want to do.so that is why i went with a 224/228 581/581 114 cam and tea 5.3 stage two heads with double springs and titanium retainers.

and as far as the srt-4...... you guys are just flaming because you got beat. and as far as a bunch of mods oh let me see. a air filter(man that is a huge one) a boost controller (added 2 pounds of boost) and a 3" downpipew/cat. oh and a muffler ohhhhhhhhh big mods. i'm sorry but i think it is a nice car ,weather it is a neon or not. who cares, it is a fast car and can beat 90% of ermca. don't hate it because of that.

i'm sorry if this is alittle harsh but chris is a good friend of mine and i don't like it when my friends or my friends rides are trashed on when they did nothing other than beat the cars that called them out.

i mean come on chris never says anything about your cars except they are nice cars so why do you have to trash talk his.

thats it i'm done flaming for now.had to get it out of my system.

see ya

rob





Just to clarify things what I posted about Chris's car was nothing bad from my point of view. It's small (hence the golf-kart size comment), stock dynos 224fwhp (most Mustangs can't say that), has just those mods listed ( not many which shows the potential of the motor), and is fuckin fast, and has a very good power to weight ratio. I ment nothing bad about Chris's car, as many people here know I went and tried to get one, however it was more than I wanted to spend. I was just telling the T/A not to get upset because Chris's car is fast, which most people will learn the hard way.
Brad

[02blackwingss]

brad
i was clarifing to you that the other post was not me.
and as for the other stuff that was to whoever was saying the things about chris's car or about cams.

rob(02blackwingss)

[Mr.Nitrous]

That's alot of talkin over a neon.

Eddie, I hope you don't have a big head about beating chris' car,that wouldn't be saying much for your very modified car. Don't get me wrong not talking trash, your car is fast.

Damn, Chris must have a good tuner.

[4U 2 NV]

Hey Rob, What is fly cutting the pistons mean?................Is your stuff installed yet?

[TAdriven98]

So any cam under 580 lift would be ok? Because the one i was looking at was like 575 lift. I didnt know the neon driver ws your guy's friend, just thought he was another guy. Sorry bout that. Wasnt tryin to knock on his car either, just knocking my slow car and trying to make it faster.

[toastychicken]

I think Eddie's really the only one truly worried about his ego and getting beat by a 4-banger.

Let us know when you're gonna do the cam install, if we could do it at the garage that'd be great. I'd like to see how its done.

[Mr.Nitrous]

To answer for Rob, flycutting is just a machining process were the valve pockets are cut deeper and or wider to keep the valve from hitting the piston surface.

[Ed]

You also have to consider the fact that with a very aggressive cam, you have to have the proper springs to match. Not only that, but they DO wear after a while. Be prepared to check them every 15-20k miles. Some people even swap them yearly. :whoa:

Just a little more to chew on. .575 lift should be pretty good, though.

[TAdriven98]

That could be a problem but once we do this swap i will see and get hands on experience on how to do it and then it should be really easy to do it in 20k miles, plus right now i only drive the car when i go cruising with ermca and thats about it for miles right now. So i will probably buy it next weekend and then look around for the spring compressor and when the garage is ready, we will be sure to have a project ready for it. Also thanks for everyone's imput and eagerness to help with the swap for those who are.
Brett

[LethalBird]

Rob, what the hell u've been smoking man?
I went back and read every post on this thread and I couldn't find anybody trashing Chris or Chris's Ride. The guy that got beat honestly said that he got beat which is not trashing at all, I on the other hand said that I passed him like he was standing still which is also not trashing..........actually u were witnessing this. Anyways, thats not subject here, but all I wanna say is I don't see any trashing or bad mouthing Chris here. Plus what 90% are u exactly talking about here?
90% of the guys in ERMCA run better than 13.8 including a 4000Lb Lightning. Nobody can deny the fact that its impressive to see a Neon run those numbers, but BFD

[02blackwingss]

well when i wrote this post i could have sworn the posts were different. i don't remember the exact quotes but i'm pretty sure they were edited.so now i have nothing to go on. well eddie as for the 90% i should have been more accurate. he will beat 90% of ermca on the street. and as for your race with him lets see it took you past 2nd gear to pass him and tben then when he knew you would beat him he got out of the gas. that is why it looked like you flew by him like he was standing still.i didn't want to burst your bubble about when u say you flew by him.but now that we are on the subject i thought i should let you know.we know you can beat him .and if you couldn't i would feel sorry for u.but you should know that you didn't just fly by him. i saw brake lights before you even passed him.

ok eddie since you want to debate me i want to debate you.i wanna hear about the night at the track when you did the 12.3 @119. you told some people that you didn't have your bottle then you told some people you had it but it was empty.what is the truth?also i know a little bit about using nitrous.and i have gone over your times.it sounds alittle fishy to me.you gained 2 tenths and 5 mph with the same 60ft. 5 mph is alot to gain with 2 tenths. i think you were sprayin part of the time.so what happened. enlighten me. and i think the bfd is your car can only running 3 tenths faster than mine with heads and cam.when i don't have them yet.to me that is BFD.

ta driven98 yeah man a 575 should be fine. have fun with it.
see ya
rob

[LethalBird]

Debate somebody else.......I don't feel like it

[LethalBird]

Oh and by the way.......nobody edited the posts coz it would say on top of it edited :D welcome to the 21st century. Also the 60ft on the best run was 1.9 and the other runs was 2.1
If u can just stop making everybody's business ur business u'll be appealing to people around u.

[LSWon00]

And he has entered the debate





I'd like to poll the audience please.........are we infact in the 21st Century??

[toastychicken]

:spit:

[02blackwingss]

first off i would like to say sorry to tadriven 98 for hijacking his thread.
and i checked my first post that i wrote and edited and i don't see where it says i edited it.

and eddie it seems your making this your business too or you would have not posted .so what is your point. i asked you what your 60fts were and you said the two fastest ones were the same.and the next one was a 2.0 so i used that as my starting point.if you told me the wrong info ,i can't help that.

If u can just stop making everybody's business ur business u'll be appealing to people around u.

what in the he?? are you saying? everytime i get on this site it seems to be you in everyones business, injecting your thoughts,so don't talk to me about everyone elses business.look how many posts i have compared to you mr. almighty

brad i think we are in the 21st century?

again sorry about hijacking
rob

[toastychicken]

::sneaks in a post before the big ugly axe::

[4U 2 NV]

well if eddie wants we can all see what he runs FRIDAY. right eddie! Time to prove everybody wrong. we will all know for sure then.

[02blackwingss]

tadriven98
again sorry to go off all cocked and all but it seems that my buddy and his car seem to get bashed alot because it is just a neon.so i got a bit deffensive.

well my car is just a camaro . do you think people with zo6's or vipers see our cars and go they might be fast but they are just f-bodies.i hope not. i hope they see fast cars and appreciate them for that.

i was informed that i will probably have to change my springs once a year.i can't wait for that.lol. but the cam i have is a speed inc. cam and they said they use it on 80-90% of their head and cam installs,they haven't steered me wrong yet so i went with the one they said i should use with nitrous.

by the way witch cam did you go with?
oh and i haven't had them installed yet .another buddy of mine has been waiting for like 2-3 months to get his car done so i am going to wait till his is done before mine gets started.

see ya rob

[TAdriven98]

I am going to go with the biggest cam thunderracing sales in the package. 230 something .575. 114lsa i think. Going to order it next week sometime.

[HORSEpower]

I am going to go with the biggest cam thunderracing sales in the package. 230 something .575. 114lsa i think. Going to order it next week sometime.

Make sure you have heads to match it. Too much cam with too little AF will hurt performance.

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

get a 112 LSA. youve got a stick right?

Hey Rob how much did your TEA heads run you?
Im thinking when i get a cam i will just stick with the LS1 heads and message them a bit. Heads can get very pricey. im not looking for outrageous power. I wanna put down around 390-400RWHP and a bit over 500 on the bottle when im done. Granted it will be about a year tilll any of that happens(Damn car payment).

Also, Eddie are your LS6 heads stock or what have you done to them?

[HORSEpower]

Eddie is running ported 5.3 truck heads. They are different from LS6 heads. They are suposed to be better.

Kurt

[Ed]

Glad to see the thread getting back on track. :)

The whole spring change thing is the one part of a cam swap that has me worried, so I keep wavering between an aggressive cam and a mild cam that's easy on the valvetrain. :\

Maybe I should just get a good tune now with my current setup, squeeze what I can out of what I have, and then wait on when I can afford heads and have everything matched right.

Decisions, decisions.

[4U 2 NV]

huh.....i thought he had LS6 heads.whoooppssy..............

[Ed]

huh.....i thought he had LS6 heads.whoooppssy..............

No, he has TEA Stage 2 heads, which are originally the 5.3 Vortech truck heads. Not quite sure what all's done, but they're said to perform very well.

[TAdriven98]

I am getting a big cam now because future plans call for heads around next summer. Dont want to burn a hole in my check book with heads so I have to wait. Even though the cam is aggressive and big, they dyno it on a stock LS1 and it hits 410hp. Even if it doesnt I am sure it will pump out some power with heads.

[TAdriven98]

Also, Ed i think once we do one cam and springs on an LS1 we shouldnt have much trouble replacing springs after we know how to do. So go with yhe aggressive cam :cheers:

[4U 2 NV]

remember what Rob said about piston and valve interference on cams with over like 590 in lift. Rob seems to know his shit so listen to him. For some ideas about what to do check out www.LS1tech.com. Lots of forums about f bodies.

Also, call Thunder Racing. They will be able to tell you what to do!

[4U 2 NV]

Also dont forget that with a real big cam you might have to go to wider diameter valve springs in which case you would have to have the seats machined to accept them. Try Isky out for some of their springs.

[Mr.Nitrous]

Comp cams makes what they call a beehive spring, more seat pressure but you don't have to cut the spring pockets bigger.

[uraloser2me2]

98TA

The biggest cam for your car is the LG g5x2, it doesn't need fly cut pistons with stock heads, but does require double valve springs. This means that your heads will require some machine work. LG is also about to come out with the g5x3 and 4.

If you look on LS1.com under engine and exhaust the have a cam thread with about 50 different cams and many people are getting close to 400rwhp with a cam like rob's or eddie's 220 to 228 dur and 575 to 580 on lift with a 114 lsa. These cams can be run on comp ovalite springs that fit the stock heads with no machine work. A cam of this size will also work with stock tuning. It is also a good idea to upgrade the retainers to chrome moly or titanium. The LG g5x2 cam works great with stock head most cars make over 400rwhp, but this cam has a lift of over 600 and will be hard on springs.

And to blackwingSS the leathal bird is just mad because your car with the stock motor is faster than his cam and head car.

I hope that helps you a little

[LethalBird]

I have TEA stage 1.5 which are suppose to be a little better than what Rob is using..........probably not a noticable difference..........anyways they are 5.3 Chevy truck heads casting ported and polished to perfection by TEA. They came with comp springs and titanium retainers.
LS6 heads are not bad either when u port and polish them.

[Ed]

A few companies make double-springs for stock heads without machining.

Comp has the new 921 series. Crane and Isky both have them as well. They're rated up to .650 lift.

[02blackwingss]

4unv
hey my heads cost me right at $1400.00 with tax.i found them on ebay from tea.i bought them with no core charge so i get to keep my stock heads,that is another $300 savings.after i won them i called up tea and had them make them with all the best stuff they could.so that cost alittle extra
oh and eddie these are not the regular stage 2.they said these are a little better than stage 1.5's.but thet also have double springs and titanium retainers. and like eddie said the differences are not that great.
uraloser2me2
no ,i hope that is not the reason. i will give credit where credit is do.eddie has a really nice and fast car,even though it is a 6speed.
tadriven 98
whatever cam u get have fun.and let me know when u go to the track.i wiuld like to see how it works for you.
see ya
rob

[TAdriven98]

Thunder Racing Custom "Reverse Split" Camshaft - 230/224 .575/.563 111 LSA 2200-6800 RPM Power Band. Excellent mid-range & high RPM power. Automatic cars require computer tuning and it is recommend for optimum results on manual transmission cars . Due to the fast ramp rate of this camshaft, the use of 1.8 rockers is not recommended. Thats the cam i am going to go with, called yesterday and they said it will fit. The package can be upgraded to include titanium retainers and i think i am going to do that.

[LethalBird]

Good choice, but I would still go with 114 LSA.........just my opinion.

[4U 2 NV]

a 111 LSA is pretty lumpy. go with a 112 or something.

[HORSEpower]

I have a 110, and it isn't that lumpy.

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

just going by what other LS1 owners have stated.

[TAdriven98]

Lumpy is good anyway

[Ed]

Get it, but you WILL need a tune afterwards. Keep that in mind.

I would also recommend you go with the Isky springs instead of the Comp 918s. They'll last longer.

[LethalBird]

Lumpy is not good if its a daily driver, plus Mustangs are never that lumpy unless its a bigger than life cam on a carb motor......which is an advantage.

[TAdriven98]

chicks dig lumpiness :cheers:

[HORSEpower]

Lumpy is not good if its a daily driver, plus Mustangs are never that lumpy unless its a bigger than life cam on a carb motor......which is an advantage.

I beg to differ.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

U have to always remeber 98LS1 is not easily tunable simply coz its a different computer. I think that u have to find out a ggod tuner before u start the project.

[TAdriven98]

See, Eddie this is the advantage of still being a teenager, I can go ahead and buy something and then worry about if it runs perfectly or not after it is installed in the car. It may not be the right way to think about it, but its the way I think about it. As of right now I probably put maybe 10-20 miles a week on the car thats it. So driveable isnt really needed right now and it can be tuned later when i need to drive more often.

[TAdriven98]

Ok guys, thunderracing just marked down all valvetrain parts 15%, the time to buy a cam has come. the deal is good til the 31st of the month so I am going to buy the cam on Monday or tues. Saves me a few dollars thats for sure.