Engine ideas

[customcarmaker]

Hey my brother took apart the 302 and found the cylinder walls destroyed. So we took the motor back and bought a 351. Does any body have any suggestions. Serious only please. BTW its a '86 mustang have a C-4 tranny it has a 8.8 rear end. We might have a 9 inch on the way.

[HORSEpower]

The 8.8 is a better rear end, sell the 9 inch. How much money do you have to spend on that Windsor, and what are you looking for out of it?

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

are we sure its a windsor?

[HORSEpower]

No many people put a Cleveland in a Fox stang. It's more money for less performance.

Kurt

[customcarmaker]

Im not too sure if it is anything. However money is not really an issue. This motor will be built over time. My brother has about $1000 right now. He is getting more obviously. Meaning he has a job. We want a mild to hot mild motor. Maybe 375 hp to the rear tires. We also want it n/a so no power adders if we can help it. So like carbs, heads, internals, intakes, exhaust. Things of this nature. It has to be streetable.

[Luke01GT]

Im not too sure if it is anything. However money is not really an issue. This motor will be built over time. My brother has about $1000 right now. He is getting more obviously. Meaning he has a job. We want a mild to hot mild motor. Maybe 375 hp to the rear tires. We also want it n/a so no power adders if we can help it. So like carbs, heads, internals, intakes, exhaust. Things of this nature. It has to be streetable.


well, it has to be one of the two, most likely the windsor.

[customcarmaker]

Yes probably. I wasnt there when we got it and i dont know much about our particular engine. All i know is it is a 351. I will know more when i come back.

[HORSEpower]

372 to the wheels isn't a hot mild motor. That takes a real nice set of heads to make that kind of power.

Kurt

[Grannynational]

408 storker kit, solid roller, AFR 225's

Joe

[HORSEpower]

408 storker kit, solid roller, AFR 225's

Joe

That will yield quite a bit more than 370 to the wheels, but it will cost you a pretty penny. Also, what kind of fuel do you want to run in this thing?

Kurt

[customcarmaker]

what kind of power can we get out of 93 gas.

[customcarmaker]

Well all we want is something that will terrorize the streets. Not nessesarily the dyno.

[HORSEpower]

what kind of power can we get out of 93 gas.

Then it depends on what kinds of heads and cam you have along with how much compression.

Kurt

[customcarmaker]

what would you recomend for heads, cam, CR. I was thinking 500 lift cam 10:1 compression.

[Brazen6.0]

you can't pick a cr until you pick a cam....use canfields or AFR for heads.

[HORSEpower]

AFRs aren't that great for Fords. Run Canfields or Trick Flow Hi-Ports for best results.

Kurt

[customcarmaker]

Trick flows would be our best choice. Canfields would be nice but we arent going to be needing that much power capabilities. Is a 500 lift cam unreasonable for streetability? What kind of intake and carb? Is a 408 stroker kit a wise option? Will a C-4 tranny hold this engine?

[Ponyperformance6]

what kind of power can we get out of 93 gas.


About 1200....


As long as you are willing to invest about 20 grand in a motor hehe. :D

[Grannynational]

408 storker kit, solid roller, AFR 225's

Joe

550hp N/A to the wheels with a C4 with this combo. 9.70@140 on spray, Mark Valvo Clarence NY.

Joe

[4U 2 NV]

Trick flows would be our best choice. Canfields would be nice but we arent going to be needing that much power capabilities. Is a 500 lift cam unreasonable for streetability? What kind of intake and carb? Is a 408 stroker kit a wise option? Will a C-4 tranny hold this engine?

umm .500 lift is very streetable. a z06 is cam is something like .525. anyways there is more to look at then just lift. look at duration and LSA and everything.

I like the AFR idea but that 1000 wont even buy those i think.

[HORSEpower]

You can go high on the lift, and it will be streetable. It is a solid roller, you will have to be careful. You won't want to give it too much street duty.

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

for an idea on the AFR heads....

AFR 225cc Full CNC heads are 2600 bucks for my car.
They are 62cc chambers which is around 10.1 or 10.5 CR i cant remeber on my car. its in that area though.

[Brazen6.0]

valve lift is irelevent far as streetability.
Street duty on a solid roller will depend on you valve spring pressure, stay below 500lb and you should be ok. High spring pressure and idle is rough on the roller lifters, because you'r not geting alot of oil on the cam below 2000rpms (since it is splashed lubricated by the crank and rods).

[4U 2 NV]

You can go high on the lift, and it will be streetable. It is a solid roller, you will have to be careful. You won't want to give it too much street duty.

Kurt

i wouldnt so solid roller. to much to hassle for street use. how high can you usually go before you have clearance issues?

Damnit i just broke my necklace..sorry off topic

[customcarmaker]

Ok it is a windsor motor. Out of a 1977 LTD. Right now we want a daily driver cam and a good 4 BBL intake manifold.

[HORSEpower]

Still need a budget range on this thing. If it's out of an LTD, it's going to have an RV cam in it.

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

i want an LTD...

[HORSEpower]

i want an LTD...

Then you can be like Theo.

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

If it's out of an LTD, it's going to have an RV cam in it.

Kurt

and low compressoin.

[HORSEpower]

and low compressoin.

Yeah, no shit, especially a 77'.

Kurt

[4U 2 NV]

on one website i found specs that show compresion in M code 351's( or the windsor) were as low as 7.33:1 but 8.4:1 was the norm, i think?!!!

[4U 2 NV]

HP was in the range of 160-180

[Grannynational]

without a solid roller, and aluminum heads, its scrap iron.

Joe

[customcarmaker]

ok we bought a new cam, world industry heads, and headers. The cam is still small but its a 484 intake 510 exhaust on 112 separation. the heads are roush 200 heads 200cc intake runners 2.02 intake valves and 1.6 exhaust valves. The headers are shortys because of the car. We are getting true duals flowmaster 40 series and an H pipe. I still need a good intake. The money budget now is 4,000 doallrs for everything we have left. we put 302 pistons in it because they are flat top and increased cr from 8.2 to 9.0.

[TheSean]

turbo.