Yeah the Mustan GT may be slower than and F-Body But.....

[LSWon00]

http://www.qford.com.au/models/fpv/gtp.com[url]


Check out some of these Ford Performance Vehicles in Australia. That
GT-P is bad-ass! That twin cam 5.4L is similar to the new Ford GT's motor. If anyone can convert the power figures please do. Ford maybe behind here in the states but over there, they're kicking ass.

[LethalBird]

We are here in the US thats all that matters :D

[JTS97Z28]

uhhhh, thats Australia Brad, far far away.

[Ponyperformance6]

couldnt get the link to work ... but i guess you were referring to the Ford Falcon which is an awesome car indeed.

Hmmmm..... maybe since Pontiac is bringing over the Monaro and calling it a GTO, maybe Ford could bring over the Falcon..... Oh wait nevermind, they are austrailian they don't matter. :rolleyes:

[LSWon00]

Actually i was refering to the Ford FPV GT-P. Look it up its an awesome car.

[HORSEpower]

1 hp = .7457 KW. A 290 KW engine is 389 HP. Basically it's a Cobra R engine. 520n/m torque = 384 ft./lb.

Kurt

[Ponyperformance6]

coo will do

[LSWon00]

thanks Kurt...I think it looks cool too. A FAST sedan..........my kind of car!!

[camarossguy2]

remember my roomate sutans car? the red lumina SS with an L1S they have those in australia(holden) with the same motor as the Z06 (an LS6)

Dont worry, chevy is always a step ahead of ford.

405HP beats the Ford GT-p 380 :banghead: :banghead: :D

[markviiiEdrea]

that 5.4 L is what i plan on squeezing into the mark viii once i get enough money, because it is some thing difrent. plus 389 Hp N.A. is so much better then 290 Hp N.A. now show me some one with big enough wedding tackel to do that

[LSWon00]

remember my roomate sutans car? the red lumina SS with an L1S they have those in australia(holden) with the same motor as the Z06 (an LS6)

Dont worry, chevy is always a step ahead of ford.

405HP beats the Ford GT-p 380 :banghead: :banghead: :D




:bs: That SS had the LS1 and was rated at 345HP not 405HP, same as thee GTO.

[LSWon00]

that 5.4 L is what i plan on squeezing into the mark viii once i get enough money, because it is some thing difrent. plus 389 Hp N.A. is so much better then 290 Hp N.A. now show me some one with big enough wedding tackel to do that


Sorry bro that's a modified Cobra R motor, ain't available state-side.

[markviiiEdrea]

one little small road block, i will have it sent to me it will cost about 6-8 grand i have actually read in to it a little

[camarossguy2]

remember my roomate sutans car? the red lumina SS with an L1S they have those in australia(holden) with the same motor as the Z06 (an LS6)

Dont worry, chevy is always a step ahead of ford.

405HP beats the Ford GT-p 380 :banghead: :banghead: :D




:bs: That SS had the LS1 and was rated at 345HP not 405HP, same as thee GTO.


Brad,
read my post again son.....
:boink:

[HORSEpower]

remember my roomate sutans car? the red lumina SS with an L1S they have those in australia(holden) with the same motor as the Z06 (an LS6)

Dont worry, chevy is always a step ahead of ford.

405HP beats the Ford GT-p 380 :banghead: :banghead: :D

I think that everyone can agree that the wonder days of GM are over. Ford is taking over the performance car market. Not even the Japanese are chiming in anymore.

Kurt

[toastychicken]

until 2005!!! :chin: :crossed: :crossed:

[HORSEpower]

You mean when the lighter more powerful Cobra comes out?

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Good for you Kurt............u must feel better about ur banana now

[HORSEpower]

We are talking about cars that aren't as fast as the banana. So what's your point?

Kurt

[LethalBird]

never mind.........
Ford is superior to GM and all their cars are faster :bs:
Isn't that what all Ford guys wanna hear ?

[Ponyperformance6]

Unfortunately I would say taht the Japs are chiming in big time here... take the EVO and WRX STI for example.... sure they are are faster than the GT, but they cost almost 10 grand more than a base GT so they should be. Neither is faster than the Cobra, but they are fast nonetheless.

And Even though the Vette is fast, Ford has abandoned building a seperate vehicle to compete with it.. they have left that up to the Cobra.

It seems nowadays Ford is in the mood for some new food.....
something Italian .... :D

http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/images/photo_gallery/ph_gt_popup_2.jpg

[HORSEpower]

Not like they used to with the RX-7, 300ZX, 3000GT, MR2, and Supra. The WR-X, and STI are nice cars, but they aren't GT cars, just little rally machines.

Kurt

[TheDan]

Ford better step it up a notch to compete with Ferrari.

[LSWon00]

Dan the new FORD GT has already beat thee 360 Modena, in the 1/4 and in power figures.


Guys, come 'on a 600hp Vette! Now that's performance.

[TheSean]

BRAD, for real???


It beat the low-scale, slow, Ford Festiva of Ferarris??? WOW what an achievment!!! :rolleyes:


Good for them, it should!


/rant

[shorgasm]

C6...nuff said!!!!
Z06 out tracks the Friggin Viper....Cobra nowhere to be found with these big boys....C6 will humiliate all... :boink:

C6 will be 400Hp....ZO6 model will be 500plus...Ford should have just enjoyed the small spotlight the 03Cobra just HAD!!!!

[Deebo]

The GT-P is a Falcon redone by Ford Australia's FPV performance division. Sultans Lumina SS is a Performance version of the Commodore SS done by Holden itself. You forget GM holden has a performance division called HSV. Click on the icon to go to the site.

http://www.hsv.com.au/frontpage/1024/hsvtop.jpg (http://www.hsv.com.au)

I dont know the power ratings since these are the newest VY gen cars and specs have not been reported on the site. The older VT generation GTS 300 had an LS1 built by Callaway and made 405 Hp... Its not to far off to say the VY GTS will be more powerfull...

VT gen GTS 300 (click on pic)
http://www.hsv.com.au//images/cars/gts/gts2000_side_big.jpg (http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/vy2/default.htm)


new VY gen GTS
http://www.hsv.com.au/images/cars/vy/gts/images/image5.jpg

Deebo

[Ponyperformance6]

Shorgasm.... the 06 Cobra has been promised to hae a supercharged 5.4 liter 3 valve motor with over 500 h.p. and 500 tq. Whad'ya know ? Sounds about the same as in 2003.

And Sean the GT competes with the 360 Medena because they are in the same price range and it is an excellent exotic car offering.

[TheDan]

Its a hell of a lot more than performance tho guys.

So the Ford can out 1/4 mile the Modena...it will NEVER match Ferrari in craftsmanship, style, and such. Plus, Ferrari has a lil weapon named Enzo that will thouroughly ass rape anything Ford can unleash.

I'd buy a Modena over a Ford anyday.

You don't see ford running in Forumla One...there's a reason for that.

[HORSEpower]

C6...nuff said!!!!
Z06 out tracks the Friggin Viper....Cobra nowhere to be found with these big boys....C6 will humiliate all... :boink:

C6 will be 400Hp....ZO6 model will be 500plus...Ford should have just enjoyed the small spotlight the 03Cobra just HAD!!!!

The Z06 costs $20,000 more than a Cobra. The two are real close in performance, but the Z06 is in a total different price range. Not to mention that the Cobra is a 4 seater, and obviously better craftsmanship. No throw-away motor in it.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

The Cobra is better craftsmanship and thats why it cost 20K less :chin:
U make sense there

[Ponyperformance6]

Its a hell of a lot more than performance tho guys.

You don't see ford running in Forumla One...there's a reason for that.

No doubt Ford will never match the build quality of the Ferrari, no argument here.....


But Ford is in F1 Dan, They go by Jaguar and Cosworth for the Jordan AND Minardi teams. Acutally I believe they have more motors than any other manufacturer in F1... Granted Ferrari does kill them and everyone else. :-)

[LethalBird]

Whats the point of having motors more than anybody else if none of them wins?

[Ponyperformance6]

because in F1 Ferrari and BMW Mpower are almost unstoppable..... but at least they are involved in it... And you will find that the Jaguar engines are the Most powerful engines in F1, unfortunately their Aerodynamics package is not as competitive.

[DARstang]

my 2nd post ever ain't you proud of me
in my opinion ferrari sucks real italian craftsmanship is lamborghini
check out the murcielago r-gt at www.lamborghini.com
its beautiful

[DARstang]

my 2nd post ever ain't you proud of me
in my opinion ferrari sucks real italian craftsmanship is lamborghini
check out the murcielago r-gt at www.lamborghini.com
its beautiful

[HORSEpower]

I would have to disagree with DAR's second and third post. I don't think he knows much about Italian sports cars.

Kurt

[LSWon00]

Two words

Zonda

and
Buggatti

[DARstang]

ferruccio lamborghini was a tractor builder that owned a ferrari and he told ferrari that his cars had problems and ferrari said if you don't like it build your own car so he did and if that is not telling someone their car is crap then what is. how can you argue with a tractor builder.

[Ponyperformance6]

hehe.. Dar i like your philosophy here... however i have heard that Lambo's have their problems with maintanence big time.

Give me a Koenigsegg anyday

[Deebo]

I think its safe to say Lambo's quality has shot up ten fold since they were taken under Audi's wing in 1998. i would be more weary of a koenigsegg... a much smaller company who've only built cars for a few years.

Deebo

[shorgasm]

Kurt..please try and tell me you would buy a 03Cobra over even a C5.

There's a little price difference there..but if you can afford a upper 30's car then a another few thousand ain't no problem.

Now don't get me wrong..I dig the 03's and all but it's banging price wise on a real car..... :blah:

Think about it.....my Formula was only about 12K....newer car...no worries...not built up to hang with heavily modded cars...so on and so on..and it will hand most cars around there ass on a silver platter!

NOBODY has the fastest car around....only one person can claim that.

The whole reason I jumped ship from the pony cars...The 98 and up F-bods are the deal now....as where the 5.0's of a few years back...the 03 Cobra's will be next in line.But it will be some time for them to come down to affordable levels.

If for some reason I see need to spend 40K on a car then I can assure you it will NOT be a Mustang...you do realize that for around 40K you can get a really low mileage Viper to strut around. :boink:

[DARstang]

I WOULD TAKE AN 03 OVER A C5 ANYDAY AND WOULD TAKE THAT LITTLE EXTRA MONEY MAKE A FEW MODS THAT WOULD DESTROY A C5 IT'S NOT THAT CHEVY COMPLETELY SUCKS BUT THERE NOT ME. I WOULD TAKE A SMALLER CUI LESS POWER FORD ANYDAY OF THE WEAK AND ENJOY WORKING ON IT TO MAKE IT FASTER. DODGE WOULD BE SECOND ON MY LIST BUT I WOULDN'T OWN A VIPER, I THINK THIER FIRING ORDER MAKES THEM SOUND LIKE SHIT. IF I WANTED A SHELBY CREATION I WOUD BUY A SERIES 1

[INTENSS]

DAR - What extra monet? Most people make payments on new cars anyway...thus making the "with the extra money I'd do this" point null and void.

-Rich

[camarossguy2]

I WOULD TAKE AN 03 OVER A C5 ANYDAY AND WOULD TAKE THAT LITTLE EXTRA MONEY MAKE A FEW MODS THAT WOULD DESTROY A C5 IT'S NOT THAT CHEVY COMPLETELY SUCKS BUT THERE NOT ME. I WOULD TAKE A SMALLER CUI LESS POWER FORD ANYDAY OF THE WEAK AND ENJOY WORKING ON IT TO MAKE IT FASTER. DODGE WOULD BE SECOND ON MY LIST BUT I WOULDN'T OWN A VIPER, I THINK THIER FIRING ORDER MAKES THEM SOUND LIKE SHIT. IF I WANTED A SHELBY CREATION I WOUD BUY A SERIES 1


http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/223000-223999/223273_161_full.gif

I always wonder, why people make them selves out to be a jackass and ford or whotever company isn't paying them them for the free advertising. Its worse then those chics who do yeast infection or diahrea comercials, but at least they get paid[/img]

[HORSEpower]

DAR - What extra monet? Most people make payments on new cars anyway...thus making the "with the extra money I'd do this" point null and void.

-Rich

You're forgetting, this is DAR. He finances mods too. Money is money.

Hell Yeah I would buy an 03' Cobra over a C5. I always said that if I ever bought a Cobra (and I never would, because I don't have $35,000+, and I can think of much better cars to buy for that amount of money. Ones that don't cost an arm and a let to insure.) I would roll my little air tank to the dealer with me that day. I would install a shifter and a pulley in the parking lot. That way I could say I drove a 500 rwhp car off the lot. That's why I would take the stang. I personally don't think Cobras will ever be the thing. GTs are still king of the street, even with the Cobra. Most people will opt for the cheaper model, and do the appropriate mods.

And for even mention the Viper Terry, you should get the dunce cap. It shows that you have no knowledge of cars. There are no words to describe what a piece of garbage a Viper is. The thought of buyine one wouldn't even cross my mind.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Kurt, ur opinion is a biased opinion not an educated one. So its void
The only thing u see best in life is beer and ur Mustang so in ur dictionary a Lambo, Mercedez, BMW, or even a Cobra doesn't stand a chance against the all mighty Banana or a Mustang GT in this case. Plus, I really wanna know how is the GT king of the street? :lol: When did 220RWHP become king of the street? Now u gonna tell me that u can modify it and make it 1000HP ..........no shit, u can do that with ur Escort if u want. I expect something better from a speed enuthiest than 220RWHP. Lets talk about stock cars being what they are from the manufacturer. In this case the GT is at the bottom of the food chain.

[Ponyperformance6]

:flamesuit on:

Well Eddie, its actually pretty high up seeing as how there is no V8 RWD competition from Chevy and Pontiac in any form of a similar price range.

Flame away :flamed:

Will

[HORSEpower]

[quote="LethalBird"]Kurt, ur opinion is a biased opinion not an educated one. So its void
Plus, I really wanna know how is the GT king of the street? :lol: When did 220RWHP become king of the street? quote]

Of course is biased you moron. If it wasn't biased they'd call it a fact, not an opinion. My family has 3 Mercedes, and we are looking at buying a Porsche and another MR2. I like a whole bunch of different cars. Your argument is based on no facts. Mustangs have always been king of the street. It's still the best platform to build a fast car on.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Historically the Mustang was never built for speed or power and u know that.

[HORSEpower]

Historically the Mustang was never built for speed or power and u know that.

But it has always been the platform of choice for street racers.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Kurt.......platform my ass.

There are several reasons why people choose the Mustang for street racing that if they really do coz there are f-bodies, Vetts, and oldies racing on the street more than all Mustangs combined:

1- Mustangs are cheap to modify........for example, u can buy a nice set of heads for a Mustang for less than 1k vs a minimum of 2500 for any niced decent set for an f-body. U can buy a nice forged crank for a mustang for less than 600 vs 1500 for an f-body. Bottom line is u can finish a Mustang project for less than 5k vs 8-12k for the f-bodies.
F-bodies are expensive to modify and not everbody can afford that, but when they do........Mustang what? Not to mention that f-bodies already make stock continous satisfying power for a long time before hunger pain for more power strikes.

2- Mustangs are easy to work on and don't require much tools or time .......in a matter of fact u can have a Mustang project done with mnimum tools in ur driveway in few days.

3- Mustangs don't require much knowldge, skill, or fabrication experties to get a project done. Everything on a Mustang is easy to reach and visible to the naked eyes. I would love to see u with ur 100+ years of experience working on cars slap a set of heads on my car or even change the spark plugs.

4- Mustang have infinite supply of parts from infinite number of companies. Just look at the MM&FF magazine........this thing is got more adds for parts than the sunday paper.

Those are only few things that make people modify Mustangs. I can't deny that those are good things and always advantage, but that doesn't make the General of any less nor the Mustang come near the word perfomance. In a matter of fact I think that this car is sad coz u have to do too much to get too little. I used to have a Mustang and I raced lots of Mustangs on the street and at the track.........that thing is :yuck: my opinion is not biased, its just based on personal experience facts.
I used to own one remember :D

Oh one last thing............I see u now talking about king of the streets, what happend to the track. I thought u valued timeslips and street doesn't count?

[INTENSS]

Will - The $34k GTO arrives in December.

-Rich

[HORSEpower]

I think you just pointed out why Mustangs are the weapon of choice. You're forgetting the most important adantage of the stang; weight.

Don't think for a second that just because I have a stang, I am inexperienced. I would have no problem changing heads or spark plugs on your car. I've worked on much worst cars than that. Just because it's a really poor design, doesn't mean I can't overcome it.

While I choose not to street race, there are still lots of people that do.
And when I say weapon of choice, that doesn't necessarily mean racing.

Kurt

[LSWon00]

Wow....my little post is all grown up. :cry:

[LethalBird]

Actually I was gonna mention weight but I saw no big difference.
I just look at them as the Honda Civic of American V8s.......very annoying, very slow, and lots of it on the street :lol:

[Ponyperformance6]

True, but a 34k base price as a lot different than a 21k base price. Not to mention option packages will probably make it reach very close to the 40's not to mention the "adjusted retail value" price that dealers will probably tack on it. :bs: :banghead:

I am happy that they brought back the GTO, I just dont like How they did it, its too expensive and not even American designed. :cry:

Will

[Luke01GT]

LOL Eddie that was great! you just told everybody that mustangs have more mods available, are cheaper to buy, cheaper to make fast, easier to work on, and lighter! WOW sounds like a hell of a car to me :D Yes I want an F Body that is harder to work on, more expensive to buy, and more expensive to buy parts for, and much heavier to start with. Thanks eddie but I'm taking that post as a compliment. lmao

[Brazen6.0]

not all F bods are hard to work on or expensive to do....only 4th gen and up get shafted on parts prices...the equivalent of a mid 80's mustang would be a mid 60's gm car....food for thoughts

[Luke01GT]

That's true, it's just the new F Bodies that are hard to work on, however I do believe that all F Bodies have been heavier than the stang.

[INTENSS]

Will - There really aren't too many options for the GTO. It's a short option list.

What are we talking about expensive here? The Z28 had a base price of $21k. LS1 Z's can be had for under $12k today. How much are 99 & up GT's going for?

LT1 cars are running $6k and up. How are those 94 & up GT's?

3rd gens? You can almost pick your price range. Same as fox body 5.0's.

As far as parts...3rd gens can feed off the food line of Chevy 350's....the most popular engine in our hobby. Parts for it are no more than 5.0 parts.

LT1 parts aren't too bad...there is plenty of stuff out there. LS1's are the problem child for costs...but they'll be coming down with the new LS2 and LS7 motors coming out this Fall.

-Rich

[HORSEpower]

It's not our fault Mustangs retain they're value so well. I had to pay 12K for my car when I got it.

Kurt

[DARstang]

SORRY KENNY I'M A REDNECK THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO TYPE AND MY SECRETARY WAS BUSY UNDER THE DESK. SO YOU CAN DO THE SAME AND BLOW ME. AND EVERYTIME SOMEONE WEARS A FORD, CHEVY OR DODGE SHIRT, HAT, ETC.. IT'S FREE ADVERTISMENT. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR YEAST INFECTION. :D

[DARstang]

EDDIE the mustang was introduced in the muscle car era. It had to be competitive or wouldn't have sold. The 64 1/2 was no speed demon but evolved into a street contender with the GT 350, GT 500, MACH 1, BOSS. Mopar dominated the track with thier HEMIs but nothing dominated the street. Everyone worked on their cars to make them faster and you couldn't buy alot of new performance parts at the corner shop, so that meant experimenting in your own garage. That's what owning a muscle car is and I think ford has done a good job keeping the mustang to where their buyers can do their own work. oh Yeah the 66 could be bought factory with a paxton supercharger. NOT BUILT FOR SPEED your crazy

[HORSEpower]

EDDIE the mustang was introduced in the muscle car era. It had to be competitive or wouldn't have sold. The 64 1/2 was no speed demon but evolved into a street contender with the GT 350, GT 500, MACH 1, BOSS. Mopar dominated the track with thier HEMIs but nothing dominated the street. Everyone worked on their cars to make them faster and you couldn't buy alot of new performance parts at the corner shop, so that meant experimenting in your own garage. That's what owning a muscle car is and I think ford has done a good job keeping the mustang to where their buyers can do their own work. oh Yeah the 66 could be bought factory with a paxton supercharger. NOT BUILT FOR SPEED your crazy

Amen brother Rodney, preach on.

Kurt

[shorgasm]

Awe sheeesh.....what in the hell was I thinking??? :dork:

GT's are the bomb...... :blah:

Listen closely please......For the money you will NOT find anything faster than a used LS1... :cheers:

Now if you idea of a reliable car is one that has almost no factory parts in it,then just go away!

If your idea of a factory car is one that the motor has not been touched nor requires gears to be in the 4:50 range....then a used LS1 is for you!

Deny me this...

1..Appearance..Mustang vs. Trans Am...right one choice there!

2..Ride and handling...Mustang vs. Trans Am...please...a GT will lose in both departments anyday.

3..Price and resale..Mustang vs.Trans Am.....everybodies neighbor has a GT....BECAUSE you can't get rid of them.....pick up a used T/A now for about the same money....watch the line form when ya wanna sell it.It's plain and simple more car for the money now!This wasn't the case before but it is now.

4..Last but not least...Performance...stock vs. stock....GT or Cobras vs.T/A..not even close!.....Mustangs cringe when an LS1 comes by... :boink:

5..Basic bolt-ons.....Exhaust filter/intake and gears....GT vs. T/A..a T/A exhaust is no more expensive and so are the rest of the mods....but the gains are more than the GT or Cobra's..PERIOD

This is my point....75% or better of T/A and GT owners do basic mods..not strokers and ultra high geared cars....you lose the pointof having the car then.....If you wanna fast car make a real one..that's real fast...if not thenjust do what's popular and you will get your money back more or less...Good day! :cheers:

[HORSEpower]

Terry, how about cars like mine. Faster than any LS1 in the club, and half the price. Just as relaible too.

And resale value????? Camaros have none. If you drive it off the lot and around the block it loses $5K in value. It's a throw away car. I have yet to see an LS1 break 100,000 miles.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Terry, how about cars like mine. Faster than any LS1 in the club, and half the price. Just as relaible too.

And resale value????? Camaros have none. If you drive it off the lot and around the block it loses $5K in value. It's a throw away car. I have yet to see an LS1 break 100,000 miles.

Kurt

Kurt, ur car is not fater than any LS1 in the club. We already established that point before. U know that I can wax ur ass on a bad day and 89octane. Actually u are the one told me and I quote "I know if we race right now that u will kick my ass"......quote "We can race at the track but from 2nd gear coz I can't handle ur car from 1st" :D

Luke........those things I listed before are good things but that doesn't make the Mustang a good car in its own.

[HORSEpower]

[quote="LethalBirdKurt, ur car is not fater than any LS1 in the club. We already established that point before. U know that I can wax ur ass on a bad day and 89octane. Actually u are the one told me and I quote "I know if we race right now that u will kick my ass"......quote "We can race at the track but from 2nd gear coz I can't handle ur car from 1st" :D

Luke........those things I listed before are good things but that doesn't make the Mustang a good car in its own.[/quote]

LOL :rofl: You're hilarious.

Why don't we just end in this argument, because your motor doesn't have an LS1 part left in it.

Kurt

[TheSean]

Tell you what, eddie. I dontt think you can beat Kurt. Why? Beacuse any race can be won or lost based on the driver, and Kurt is a way more consistant driver than you (not saying youre bad). Also... he does have a better track time than you... so if your gonna talk trash, get a slip so you dont appear foolish :)

If you beat Kurt, Ill race ya. If you can beat me off the bottle, then well... youll just have to wait for the turbos. And then ill put the bottle on and show ya some taillights.


Im kidding. Eddie, your car is faster than mine... and always will be. Period. So leta not retort, mkay?

Bac to topic... I like both the TA and the GT. Both areawesome cars, and both can be made fast. I really dont think you can go out on that limb and say one is better than the other, because there are wayyy to many factors to the appeal and quailty of a car to different people. Ill tell you this, though: even though my car is definitely over 400hp to the wheels now, I cant help grin really big everytime luke takes me for a ride in his 99% stock mustang GT. Torque is AWESOME! And both cars have a lot of it.


In my humble opinion, the LS1 sounds better, but the mustang has a better rear end (visual, not gears). I like em both :)


K, time to go. Later guys.


-Sean

[shorgasm]

Yup...and last time I checked Ford didn't send your car out wiht a stroker either.....Eddie's car is a good example of what happens when mods are comparable....You lose...money wise you win..that's it!.


And to hit on your first point....."sighs".....please note that when you car was even relatively stock...Mine would stomp it in the ground!

You got 12K in your car..I think not!...spend spend spend..it't the Stang way!!!Damnit man.....can you agree with me that a 02 T/A is more car than a 02 GT!!!...or Cobra for that matter!

The F-bod's have always been more car...93 and up....no competition....when the LS1 showed up it just put the debate to rest! :cheers: accept it believe it....If you gotta pul your motor all apart and stroke this and that then that's kewl for you.That's where cars like Eddie's car come into play....pecking order returned!

[HORSEpower]

That's the whole point. People who buy cars and tear the motors apart are balls to the wall people. LS1s are nice for the spectator type people. People who want to buy a car, get it to be nifty fast for about 30,000 miles and then get rid of it. And there is nothing wrong with buying a car and donig that. But I'll be the on buying a lighter car, tearing the motor out of it, and stomping on the spectator types who spend twice the money. Eddie's spent 2 if not 3 times as much as I have. That's what I take pride in. That's what seperates the true gear heads from the enthusiasts. And Shawns right. Maybe Eddie needs to race the 3000GT and be humbled.

Kurt

[02blackwingss]

hey guys,
i would like to see the outcome of the three of you.let me know when u go to the track?that would be a fun night.
rob

[shorgasm]

Balls to the wall huh!...11.5 is balls to the wall?.....more like. :banghead:

Nitrous and slicks..11.5...not bad for a car...but if you are trying to be fast on a budget then just say it.I could really care less about going to the track and beating the hell out of my ride.

Please don't think I am trying to flame on your stang,not my intention.
So please don't assume I am a "spectator"..I have a stack of mid 9sec slips from my bike days....I'm no stranger to Bithlo Kurt! Hell for the past few months the 'Busa bug has been biting me.Ya never know who'll you'll see down there.... :blah:

[02blackwingss]

11.3 @123 on drag radials and spray ofcourse. :lol:

rob

[HORSEpower]

Balls to the wall huh!...11.5 is balls to the wall?.....more like. :banghead:

Nitrous and slicks..11.5...not bad for a car...but if you are trying to be fast on a budget then just say it.I could really care less about going to the track and beating the hell out of my ride.

Please don't think I am trying to flame on your stang,not my intention.
So please don't assume I am a "spectator"..I have a stack of mid 9sec slips from my bike days....I'm no stranger to Bithlo Kurt! Hell for the past few months the 'Busa bug has been biting me.Ya never know who'll you'll see down there.... :blah:

I love it, everyone has to bring a bike into the conversation. What kind of work did you put in your bike? Just getting off topic I guess.

Kurt

[LethalBird]

Ur car cost less to build coz its 9 years older. I wanna see u trying to build a new GT.......u will spend double what I spend if not more.
4 cams vs one cam, I'll take one cam for 200 Alex.

Oh, and there are shit load of stuff that are still stock under the hood of my car.

[Ponyperformance6]

Will - There really aren't too many options for the GTO. It's a short option list.

What are we talking about expensive here? The Z28 had a base price of $21k. LS1 Z's can be had for under $12k today. How much are 99 & up GT's going for?

LT1 cars are running $6k and up. How are those 94 & up GT's?


-Rich

Well Rich after priging GT's this summer they are very comporable. i know i got my 2002 GT for 16,900 fully loaded including a 1200 dollar optional sound system. So there is some food for thought.

Also, I was just saying that i thought they were a little too expensive for what they were, no flames meant here, I just think they should be more reasonably priced.

I didnt mean to get in a price comparison, ecspecially since f-bodies are no longer built anymore a fair price comparison cannot really be made. It can be very difficult to compare the prices of used cars due to the diffferences between individual cars' condition.

Will

[Ed]

The F-Body vs Mustang debate will never die. Ever.

That said, here's something we can all agree upon: Ford and GM are both better than Mopar!

Thanks, goodnight!

[Ponyperformance6]

Ur car cost less to build coz its 9 years older. I 4 cams vs one cam, I'll take one cam for 200 Alex.

Oh, and there are shit load of stuff that are still stock under the hood of my car.

that would be 2 cams vs. 1 cam .....


and you once boasted that there was only one stock piece left on your car ... :confused:

[LethalBird]

I thought the Cobra had 4 cams?
Trottle body, MAF, Intake, Cranck, and rockers are all stock on my car.

[TheSean]

The cobra is DOHC, but um.. with like $500, a cobra will wax the floor with you, eddie. That car is FAST!

I dont even know how much a pulley, exhaust, and maybe some top end work will cast/do... but the new cobras come forged and ready to go, so you can turn the boost up pretty far. A new GT is sohc, so it's jusy one cam. I think kurt was talking about getting a new GT, not the cobra. And hell, i have four, but a cam set doesnt cost 4x as much as one, beacuse you are seperating the exhaust and intake lobes into two cams. Also, it is BETTER to have dohc, so i wouldnt put that cost as a downside to that. Add a nitrous kit on top of tha, and youd be pushing like 600rwhp for like $2000 maybe. That is nasty fast!

If OSW had 3 lanes, id go for it, but maybe ill have to go against both just for shits and giggles. Hey, it's all in fun while the small blowers are on. I cant wait for the big turbos, though. My car now should go 12 flat-ish (read: ish) off the bottle tuned right, so it would be fun. Slicks are for pansies :cool: lets go on street tires :D


Ed: yeah, mopar sucks donkey balls.

[LSWon00]

I gotta a HEMI!!!!!

[INTENSS]

Mopars from the 60's are fine with me....just not visually.

Will - You paid $16,900 for a 2002 GT. A nice deal by the way. 2002 Z28's are going for about the same price range.

How and why do you think the Camaro should be more reasonably priced? With the Z28 (& up) you're getting a better motor and transmission than the GT. Both interiors are of equal (mediocre at best) quality. Ford has the better rear end. Taking these into account...the Z is AT LEAST as good as a GT...begging the questions, why should the Camaro be more resonably priced. Bargain Z's were had for $21k brand new.

-Rich

[Ponyperformance6]

Yes Eddie you are right the Cobra does have four cams... but you said that you would like to see him build a GT which has 2.


I wanna see u trying to build a new GT.......u will spend double what I spend if not more.
4 cams vs one cam, I'll take one cam for 200 Alex.
Rich: thanks we were blessed with a good deal at the right time.

I think you have misunderstood me, however, I was saying that I thought the GTO was overpriced, not the Camaro, as you have mentioned those can be had for a fairly good deal, its just that the insurance will kill me.

Will

[DARstang]

Rich cmon the GENERAL LEE was beautiful and so was DAISY :boink:

[HORSEpower]

Mopars from the 60's are fine with me....just not visually.
How and why do you think the Camaro should be more reasonably priced? With the Z28 (& up) you're getting a better motor and transmission than the GT. Both interiors are of equal (mediocre at best) quality. Ford has the better rear end. Taking these into account...the Z is AT LEAST as good as a GT...begging the questions, why should the Camaro be more resonably priced. Bargain Z's were had for $21k brand new.

-Rich

Transmissions are better in the Camaros. The engines in the mustangs are much better though. Let's be honest, the LS1 is a throw away engine. I have yet to see one exceed 100K miles. There are plenty of 4.6s out there with 200 shots at 200K miles. Both engines have very good combustion chambers. They are actually both semi-hemi motors. the LS1 has a nice tall intake runner which gives it a torque and power advantage. But it suffers from poor craftsmanship from the factory. I don't agree with the rear end argument. I really don't see anything wrong with the rear end in the Camaro. In stock form, you won't break it. GM was looking for away to make the car run real fast in stock trim. Lightening the rear end is one way of doing that.

The Mustang is way overdue for a 6 speed. There is nothing wrong with the Tremec 3650. It is comparable to the T-56 in durability. I am actually hopine that Ford will eventually swich over to a version of the G-6 that was used in the Lincoln LS. I don't know how cost effective that will be though.

Kurt

[INTENSS]

I disagree.

The GM 7 5/8" unit is very weak. It can't take much abuse, in stock form or not. GM should have looked into a stronger rear-end option on the f-body.

The LS1 is a very good engine. It's not as weak and prone to destruction as many think. Yes, most of its years were plagued by oil consumption problems and some have a mysterious "ticking" sound. The end result is that the engine just doesn't grenade itself as often as people believe. Aside from Graham (who's car is subject to repeated beatings), how many LS1's do you know were replaced? This is an open ended question to anyone.

Im quite active in the f-body community, and this isn't a common problem. Alot of the owners simply haven't driven their cars enough miles. There are a number of LS1's pushing over 100k miles. Alot of people simply attribute oil consumption problems to weak motor. Just not true.

-Rich

[Ponyperformance6]

as far as teh Tremec 3650 goes, Kurt, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that unfortunately. Its has it its upsides, but it definately has some big problems as well.

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=328655

See the above thread.... there are 13 pages of problems.. :banghead:

[HORSEpower]

13 pages of problems, with the same solution. The retards keep taking their cars to the dealer. If it keeps breaking, then why do they keep going back to the dealer. It's pretty obvious that they haven't figured out how to break the cycle. DON'T GO TO THE DEALER. The most common problem with new stangs is the the throw-out bearing. The solution is to put another bearing in there, now one from Ford. It's about 4 hours of work to change it., and $35 for the bearing; no biggee.

Kurt

[thickstunalexndr]

I found this website...it's 390 Hp and 387 torque

http://autozine.kyul.net/html/Ford_AU.htm