Question for Drag racing guys...(tires)

[Mr. Bueno]

How does MT ET drags on 15X8 26" Tires

Compare to MT ET Street on 15X8 26" Tires????

I want to get either one, recommendations guys? Do they both hook similar?
(I am going with Weld Draglites rims...)
thx
--Tim:dontknow:

[Ed]

I'm assuming you're getting these JUST for track use...if that's the case, just go with the ET Drags.

ET Streets have tread (if you can call it that) and is approved for street use. If you're just gonna slap them on when you get to the track, I'd just go all out.

[Mr. Bueno]

true true, ed.

my point is if i go w/et streets i can drive to the track and use the tires/rims for weekend driving only.

if i go with et drags, i will have to bring, the rims, jack, tire iron, and have to worry about chaining up the rims at the track and worry about some jackass stealing the rims and my tires that are on my rims now. (nittos and the bullit style rims)

just looking to see if there is a huge difference, or if they hook very similar. ( i am also posting on modular depot too.)

--Tim

[Ed]

I wouldn't want to drive all the way to OSW on ET Streets. That's a good 140 miles round trip. I could see using ET Streets on a hotrod for putzing around town, but not for driving on the freeway.

[4U 2 NV]

well what the wear rating on each tire?

[Ponyperformance6]

0 and 0... if you drive to the track with ET Streets on you will get about 2 nights out of them. Plain and simple. They say they are not approved for highway use and heaven forbid you get into a brief rain shower with them on. I don't think either of the tires are realistic for driving to the track... don't even think about it with either e/t streets or e/t drags. If you want to drive to the track your only option is pretty much Nittos or BFG Drag radials, buy Nittos for long-life or BFG's for max traction, they should be all the traction you need.
Will

[Ponyperformance6]

If this guy uses BFG Drag radials then they are more than enough for you.

http://bfgoodrich.zouire.com/images/fBDP21549.jpg

[Brian97vobra]

Hope your ready to replace your rearend when you blow it up at the track runnin on slicks. :D
But since your car is pretty much stock i'd just go with the 15 in. bfg drag radials. They hook awesome! Alot better than the nitto drag radials and you can drive to the track with no worries.
Bob Cosby regularly used them on his cobra and they actually wrinkled just like a slick. And he cut very good 60 ft. times on them.
Any more qustions just ask. :cheers:

[TheDan]

Yes, goodbye rear-end...drag radials suck ass though, if you wanna go fast...put in a Ford 9" rear...get some ET Drags...then spray it. Dont forget a driveshaft loop if youre running slicks...if it breaks itll pole vault your ass off the track.

[Luke01GT]

I second Brian

[Ponyperformance6]

drag radials suck ass though.

Please reference above picture. ... NMRA has cars into the 7's on Drag Radials this year. I don't think they get enough of the respect they deserve...

Brian good to see you around man ! Thanks for the advice, however i take it your rear end blew up ?? I am supprised ! With what mods though ? Were you pretty much stock then or did you allready have the blower and motor ? BTW sorry I didnt stick around after the movie the other day i just realised i blew out of there pretty quick. I am back in texas right now, but if you are still there and want to hit up the turkey rod run then get ahold of JB (69SS) and get something setup. Talk to you later man.
Will

[Mr.Nitrous]

What is all this crap? You guy's think that by running slicks on a mustang your going to break your rear wtf. If you guy's only had a clue. Try this on for size a 02' gt w/26x10x15 et drags 4800 launch rpm 1.58 60's in a car that weighs in at 3780 with me in it.Still hasn't broke,get a clue you guys. As for the the drag radial stuff, don't compare that poster car to yours. He has all the drag suspension that you could ever think of having. The do work well for what they are.If you are going to get the mt's get the et drag's, you are getting the tires for traction purposes right? If you do go drag radials, nitto's last longer, bfg's hook better.

[Ponyperformance6]

It is true they had the drag suspensioon and all and that definately makes the difference, but for his overall purposes, i would say that the drag radials are better just because he can drive them on the highway back and forth from the track. You may be able to physically drive E/T Streets on the highway, because they can of course stand those speeds, but practically they are pointless because you will have to replace them so often from driving on the highway.
Will

[HORSEpower]

Yes, goodbye rear-end...drag radials suck ass though, if you wanna go fast...put in a Ford 9" rear...get some ET Drags...then spray it. Dont forget a driveshaft loop if youre running slicks...if it breaks itll pole vault your ass off the track.

9" rear ends slow you down. 8.8's are faster, and strong enough for anyone posting on this board.

Some stangs break half shafts with slicks. I've heard some wonder stories like what Dennis talking about. I've also heard of stock stangs snapping the half shafts the first night out with slicks. Either way, it's a cast axle, and it is weak. All you have to do is change the half shafts to Moser or Stange forged pieces which are like $220 for ABS equipped cars.

I would go with slicks. Lots of people run drag radials, but slicks are always better. If you think a drag radial is the shit, then look at the times of your fellow club members. No one is doing that great with drag radials. They work ok in NMRA with a perfectly tuned suspension in 2700lb cars with 2000 hp.

Kurt

[Ponyperformance6]

I did have a friend who broke his axles on slicks right after running a 12.7 and dumping the clutch at 5500 rpm, on a built 302. Of course that was the only thing that gave up on a totally stock rearend, not bad if you ask me.

[Brian97vobra]

Ok first off there is no reason to swap to a 9in. I don't understand why people always say that? I constantly have people say that to me. But usually the people that say that don't know much about the 8.8 rear end.
And you WILL break your rear end launching on slicks. I guarantee it. Either the diff or the axles will go. Just wait it'll happen.
Hey what's up Will, actually nope i never blew up my rearend. But that was only because i never launched on slicks back then, only drag radials. So i figured i might as well replace the rearend parts before it happens and save from a tow and still be able to sell the stock parts. I personally witnessed two of my friends blow theirs up runnin on slicks though. And there's were pretty much stock. 97 cobra running i think 12.5 at the time and a 00 gt running a 12.8. My friend with the cobra broke his two or three times before he finally put in a c-locker and some 31spline axles. :banghead:
Drag radials don't suck though when their mounted on a 15in rim rather than the stock 17in. With the mods he has and some 15in bfg drag radials he should be in the low 13's or high 12's with good driving.
Oh yeah and Mr. Nitrous sorry about not having a clue :dork: but how many passes have you gone with those slicks on?

[Mr. Bueno]

thx, brian, horsepower, and mr. nitrous, good replies :D

now the decision is.....

MT streets...do they hook almost as well as the drags? After all they do have the same compound, and small groves in the tire, and a slightly strong sidewall.

I am leaning towards 15X8 or 15X10 rims and a 26" tall slick

keep posting guys, good info here

--Tim

[Brian97vobra]

I'm not sure how the et streets compare to the et drags. But i've just heard that they don't hook quite as well as the drags. There still pretty good though. But if you want to go all out and get the best times, then get the et drags.
You'll be fine with a 15x8 rim and 26in. tire.

[Ponyperformance6]

are you gonna try and drive the E/T Streets to the track ?

P2 has E/T streets, I believe he likes them i think they are very similar to the E/T Drags, just with grooves in it. :-)

Will

[Mr.Nitrous]

Brain trust me when I say I have made many of passes on stock axle reared 8.8's.I haven't broke a single axle. Kurt ,Blackwing SS and a few others can back me up on that one. Don't get me wrong thought, aftermarket axles are a good thing to invest into.

As for the et streets, they will work just as good for you as the drags.

[Grannynational]

I have 200 passes on my stock 8.5 rearend with stock axles on 26x10x15 M/T ET Drags.

8.8's are strong rear ends. If you want to go fast, get a jack, a tire iron, and put your slicks in the trunk.

If you want to go real fast, get a 125 shot, slicks and you'll run 12's all day long.

Joe

[HORSEpower]

If you can't get 10" rims, just get 26x8.5 slicks. That way you can run them on 8" rims. 26x8.5" slicks are better than 26x10" Et streets. Don't waste your money on anything less than slicks.

Kurt

[TheDan]

Well I'm not going to argue with everybody and their self-proclaimed drivetrain knowledge...I'm just going on experience...

I know of 4 guys, in 4 cars who have blown their 8.8s on slicks...one guy has blown his twice...

As far as the 9" is concerned...ask Gustin how he likes his...if you can catch him to ask him.

[Brian97vobra]

Well I'm not going to argue with everybody and their self-proclaimed drivetrain knowledge...I'm just going on experience...

I know of 4 guys, in 4 cars who have blown their 8.8s on slicks...one guy has blown his twice...



See that's what i was saying. But the 8.8 can be made bulletproof. Just get a c-locker, axles, rear cover, and weld up the axle tubes. Good to go! :D

[HORSEpower]

See that's what i was saying. But the 8.8 can be made bulletproof. Just get a c-locker, axles, rear cover, and weld up the axle tubes. Good to go! :D

You mean c-clip eliminator kit right.

Kurt

[Mr. Bueno]

i am sure that is what he meant, but he is correct as well as you are correct hotel papa.

--Tango

[Brian97vobra]

No you don't need a c-clip eliminator kit. I meant what i said. As in, detroit c-locker.

[HORSEpower]

No you don't need a c-clip eliminator kit. I meant what i said. As in, detroit c-locker.

Detroit lockers suck. I'd go straight to a spool before I bothered with a Detroit locker.

Kurt

[Ponyperformance6]

yeah..... a spool on a street car ... have fun with that :yes:

[Brian97vobra]

Detroit lockers suck. I'd go straight to a spool before I bothered with a Detroit locker.

Kurt

HAHAHAHAHA Oh man! Ok so Detroit lockers suck because.....?????? :rolleyes:

[Mr.Nitrous]

They suck because if they don't lock in properly, it will shoot you off to the right or the left.Done this many of times it is a scary thing trying to correct a fast car when it takes off the wrong way.

[HORSEpower]

What Mr. Nitrous said. That and they serve no purpose. I don't know anyone serious about racing using one. I do know however know lots of people using spools on the street. They aren't that bad at all. You only notice it when you go around an on ramp. And don't do U-turns. I've actually had great luck with my stock locker.

Kurt

[Mr. Bueno]

OK Drags it is.

26" tire, rim size will be 15X8. so I should get 8.5inch wide tire?

Also, what about backspacing?
I will also have to buy tubes, rims, and special lugs.
Anyone recommmend a size...


January will be a great month.

--Tim

[Brian97vobra]

Ok now i know that sometimes they have a problem engaging from a stop. But that's very rare. And i've never heard of anything shitty like that happening at the track. Or making you shoot off to either side.
And no if your dead serious about racing you won't use a locker. You'd just go straight for a spool. But if your serious about racing and driving on the street then you go with a locker. Those are about your only choices. Because the eaton and auburn diffs suck. But i don't see how you can say a spool is streetable. I thought my locker was bad enough.

[Brian97vobra]

Tim- You don't have to run tubes in your slicks. That's just added weight. I bought them when i first got my slicks but never put them in because of that. Although i'll probably put them in eventually.
You can get the special lugs from summit when you order the rims.
I'm not sure about backspacing though. Unless it would be the same as mine is, but i have 15x10 rims.

[Ponyperformance6]

OK Drags it is.

26" tire, rim size will be 15X8. so I should get 8.5inch wide tire?

Also, what about backspacing?
I will also have to buy tubes, rims, and special lugs.
Anyone recommmend a size...


January will be a great month.

--Tim


addaboy Tim... way to go hardcore :D

Will

[Ponyperformance6]

Ok now i know that sometimes they have a problem engaging from a stop. But that's very rare. And i've never heard of anything shitty like that happening at the track. Or making you shoot off to either side.
And no if your dead serious about racing you won't use a locker. You'd just go straight for a spool. But if your serious about racing and driving on the street then you go with a locker. Those are about your only choices. Because the eaton and auburn diffs suck. But i don't see how you can say a spool is streetable. I thought my locker was bad enough.



As Josh says, "Just get an Ox Locker" yah can't beat a steel cable activated locker.

And Brian anyword as to if you will be making it out with us Wednesday ????

[Brian97vobra]

And Brian anyword as to if you will be making it out with us Wednesday ????

Not sure yet. Hopefully though. :crossed:

[HORSEpower]

I know the Auburn's, Motorsports, and Powertrax suck ass, but I have never heard anything bad about the Eaton's. I would go with an Eaton before I went with a Detroit. I'm actually happy with the stock locker. You can pack it with an extra disk to make it grab harder. Dennis knows how to do it. Mine's due for a rebuild. I know the kit is like $50.

I have to get 15 x 10 rims for my slicks. What backspacing are you running on your's Brian?

I have never used tubes or screws and I have never had a problem.

Kurt

[Mr. Bueno]

I want to keep my stock 26" tall tire size to maximize my mph in the 1/4mile. What size should I go with? 15X8 rim, but what about tire size?

Also, should I consider going an inch or two taller to lower my mph, and give me better et? Imput would be greatly appreciated.

--TIM

[HORSEpower]

If you are using a 8" rim, then you need to use an 8.5" slick. If you go with a 26x10 slick, then you have to go with a 10" rim, which is very expensive (sucks to be me). If you put a 10" slick on n 8" rim, then your car will be all over the place. Trust me I know. If you are going to get Welds anyways, I would just get the 10" slick with the 10" rim.

Kurt

[Grannynational]

ahh geez, you guys are making it too complicated. Listen up.

Lockers are for trucks, end of story, no questions asked. Limited slips are for cars. Eatons are great, not necessary for you.

I have a 7" wide rim with 26x10 ET Drag on a stock GN rim.

Heres what you can do.
Buy a cheap US wheel from summit, $35 a wheel, 15x8. Get 26x10's and they will work wonderfull.

Tubes...Tubes add weight, but I run them because if you dont you'll have to refill your slicks with air every time you go to the track, with tubes, they hold air.

Joe