Mustang Mass-Airs

[Ponyperformance6]

To anyone who knows, ecpsecially Kurt, I have found a cold-air system called a WMS velocity system, it consists of a fenderwall air filter, 4 inch lower intake tube, 95 mm Mass Air, and a 3.5 inch upper intake tube. I know it sounds like overkill and my question is will a mass-air that big require a special chip tune or anything else ?? I know the tech line can tell me, but i wanted your input. Thanks
Will

[HORSEpower]

You just have to make sure the mass air flow is tuned for your injectors, which it probably is. They always put giant mass air flows on modulars. I don't know why they need them, but they just do.

Kurt

[toastychicken]

Do you even have 95mm intake lines? Just wondering, cause I don't see why it has to be so large.

[Ponyperformance6]

intake lines ??? what are those

[toastychicken]

As in, your intake piping from the intake to the filter to the TB.

[Ponyperformance6]

well it comes with the pipes necesary to fit it, its a kit with a 4 inch lower intake and a 3.5 inch upper intake.

[Lawman9C1]

Will, you may also want to figure out if your engine can actually take all that air in. If your Throttle body is the most restrictive part of your intake after this mod, then that will be your new point of strangulation. This can be somewhat beneficial, cause you will have air in reserve at all times so rapid changes in throttle will require less time for the engine to get the air it needs to speed up.

Also check to see if the MAF will, 1. not throw a code on your check engine light, 2. Not adjust back to factory flow levels over time.

The second factor is a known problem with The LT1's since Impala's have 3.25 and Camaro's and vettes have 3.5 if you switch over to the bigger maf you have to reprogram your PCM otherwise the benifits gained in flow will be compensated for by the engine after a little while. So if thats getting swapped out it may flow better, but the engines computer will compensate and just change a few things to cancel it out.

[TheDan]

jesus...my truck only has 90mm

i think 95mm is getting a little too crazy...it would be like putting 55 lb. injectors on the car.

[Lawman9C1]

jesus...my truck only has 90mm

i think 95mm is getting a little too crazy...it would be like putting 55 lb. injectors on the car.

Maybe Will is looking to get a little wild, and make his own Cobra.

But if not Dan running 90 on a forced compression motor should be proof enough that you dont need that extra 5mm's.

Whatever you do have fun :cheers:

[HORSEpower]

It won't throw a code as long as it's calibrated for the right injectors. If it is it won't have any adverse effects on the car.

Kurt

[Ponyperformance6]

here is a link to it, hopefully it works.

http://www.wmsracing.com/pgi-ProductSpec?WMS-HVI

P.S. they also said it is specifically calibrated to maintain driveability and who knows ?? maybe it would fit in well with a stupercharger one day :D

[HORSEpower]

I would go with a Densecharger setup. The plastic ones give you more power.

Kurt

[Mr. Bueno]

I agree with Kurt on the last comment.

I have installed, MAC CAI, BBK, and the new $234.95 Steeda CAI on modular mustangs. I can tell you the coolest temperature tube from coolest to hottest is:
Densecharger
Steeda
BBK & MAC=the same, very hot.

As for the upgrade to a bigger MAF. You wont see any gains without the use of mods like that of supercharger, headers, intakes, TB's and the bolt ons. I have heard countless stories about guys putting Lightning MAFs on a NA stock GT and actually having problems. As for the calibration purpose, your stock MAF is calibrated for 19lb 99-02 and 21lb for the 2003. There is no need for a bigger MAF on the stock GTs unless you NEED more flow. Same principle as the biggest carb possible on a car. Just bc your Carb is 1,000cfm doesnt mean you car will use it. You will lose performance. Also, just because your MAF is 95mm, (stock is 65 I think), will not mean you will flow more air.

I am saying, if you get it, you will regret it, Your car will not run correctly. Do what you want, but when it happens, I will say, "I TOLD YA SO".
Just my .02, not looking to get flamed here.
Tim :beer:

[Ponyperformance6]

no flames at all i was wanting everyone's opinion, we'll see what happens

[Mr. Bueno]

try, www.stangnet.com, and click on modular 4.6L forum technical.

There are TONS! of posts related to MAF combos
TIM

[Ponyperformance6]

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=371117

one reply so far from someone using that intake he seems to like it and that is on a 98... soo it may be worth the shot.

Will

[HORSEpower]

I don't think the bigger mass air will hurt anything, and you will be prepared for future mods.

03's use bigger injectors, but the mass air flows might be calibrated the same. 95 GTs have 19Lb./hr. and the Cobras have 24 Lb./hr injectors, but the MAF is the same. The difference is in the computer.

Kurt

[Ponyperformance6]

yeah i was thinking the same thing Kurt

[Mr. Bueno]

speaking of computers...

Steeda is testing a system, where they can reflash the stock computer for NA operations. The vortec guys have it, but now we are gonna get it.

They are working closely with ford for parameters for the modular NA guys. It is great.
Ill post more about it later.
Tim
And since it is just a reflash, the computer continues to "learn" the driving habits and mods throughout driving ranges. It is called the Steeda Normally Aspirated Tune.

[HORSEpower]

speaking of computers...

Steeda is testing a system, where they can reflash the stock computer for NA operations. The vortec guys have it, but now we are gonna get it.

They are working closely with ford for parameters for the modular NA guys. It is great.
Ill post more about it later.
Tim
And since it is just a reflash, the computer continues to "learn" the driving habits and mods throughout driving ranges. It is called the Steeda Normally Aspirated Tune.

I think Saleen has a one time deal where they can reflash your computer.

Kurt

[Brazen6.0]

fordchip also does that, where they change all parameters in there, not just the WOT setings. It is said that on some new ford vehicles that this reflash would make modding easier without the need to retune constantly...the 02-03 Focus SVT would be part of those vehicle with a "smarter" computer...(kinda why no one makes aftermarkets control for them yet)...I don't know if any of it holds its ground, but that's what I've heard....

[toastychicken]

So Ford chips need to be flashed in order to relearn the car? I'm almost 100% positive that GM's chips automatically learn new setups, and adjust accordingly.

[HORSEpower]

All cars have a function to learn. Well except my car cuz the memory is messed up. This changes how it learns.

Kurt